300B/845 Amp: Driver Options

For more than 6 months I’ve been playing with a lot of satisfaction my 300B amplifier with the 47 driver. Since then, I’ve made 2 modifications:

  1. Major one was the introduction of my Open-Baffle (OB) speakers. These are the “Liionidas” based on the LiiAudio C-15 and W-15 drivers. I need to do a proper write-up of these, but have to admit their sound has taken my system to another level. They are simply superb. Detail and dynamics are beyond expectations. Nothing less to be expected from the designer (Leon Huijgen) :
Initial test of the Liionidas OB speakers
  1. Second modification was minor, I removed the Zobel network from the input LL7903 to minimise loading to the source. Also, after several tests I found that the impact in the HF resonant peak is minor as the source has some resistance (below 100Ω) which is beneficial. So the 300B amplifier looks like this now:

I could live forever with this 2-stage system now. It’s capable of driving the OB speakers without an issue. Although for larger rooms you better go with +10W and the 845 in the cooking process is much better suited. I don’t play too loud and the 300B doesn’t let me down at all when playing it loud, I’m in love with it.

Yet, I’m missing the thoriated tungsten sound of the 801a/VT25 or 01a in my system. Recently I posted about this low gain DHT preamp stage based on the 01a, which can be a good option, however introduces another stage.

I’ve been testing on the bench a couple of drivers based on 801a and VT25. They are different valves but not too far in terms of sound in my opinion. Here are the two flavours:

801a Driver with IT

First one is old school design with 1:1 interstage transformer (custom made) and LL7903 in 1:8 SUT to deliver the 35dB of gain I was aiming at. The drawback of this design is the need for a negative supply. However I have already one for the output stage (either 300B or 845) so easy to reuse. The benefit is that the HT supply can be as low as 250V. I’m adding a capacitor multiplier to dial the right anode voltage and provide a low noise HT rail due to the poorer PSR of the transformer loaded driver.

The performance is magnificent. See below test for an RCA 801a delivering 200Vpp at 0.1% THD. The harmonic profile is very nice from H2 to H5:

801a driver test @ 200Vpp

Now, here is the VT-25 driver based on my previous designs:

VT-25 driver

The hybrid mu-follower uses a 1kΩ cathode resistor instead of filament bias. This reduces heat dissipation and raw PS voltage requirements, making it easier to implement. Soundwise after my similar implementations with the 46 and 47 isn’t compromised at all. By running it at 15mA and 265V (15V bias) the stage can deliver 200Vpp at low distortion (below 0.15%). The gyrator PCB is the mini version and overall driver physical footprint is quite small. Drawback of this design is the need for a higher HT (400V instead of 250V), however it’s significantly cheaper unless you have a very good IT at hand to reuse.

Both are great options and will be tested side by side. Very likely I will implement the latter one in my 300B amplifier as it’s easier to swap the current 47 driver and introduce this one. Also, can adjust it for the 801a and compare the differences. Good fun!

 

 

 

Author: Ale Moglia

"A mistake is always forgivable, rarely excusable and always unacceptable. " (Robert Fripp)

12 thoughts on “300B/845 Amp: Driver Options”

  1. Ale
    Will wait for you implement the 801A driver and report back 🙂 to try something like this

    thank you as always for sharing your work

  2. greetings from new zealand . can you tell me the manufacturer of the LO D15-1 chokes used in the 47/300b psu . many thanks . mike

  3. Hi Ale, greetings from Istanbul. About OB, the upper driver looks smaller than 15 inch on the picture.As I’m also interested on Liionidas project, I would like to get a brief feedback about them, if it’s not too early to comment.Thanks for all your efforts on Bartola Valves.

    1. Hi,
      It’s a 10-inch driver on top of the W-15. Here is the info you may be after: . I haven’t tried the Silver version, though they have an outstanding review by other builders.
      cheers,
      Ale

  4. You should definitely write up a review of LiiAudio C-15 and W-15. I run Linkwitz LX521’s, but they’re a pain to power (need minimum of 6 channels high power Class AB/D). What’s a the max SLP before noticable compression / distortion?

  5. Dear Ale,
    Please tell us more about your Liionidas build.
    I’d for example like to know which components you used for crossovers.
    Best regards

  6. Good morning Ale, using the secondary winding of the Lundahl LL7903 input transformer to bias the driver tube with fixed bias, could it compromise the performance of the transformer itself and/or the signal elevation ratio? Thanks for the clarification,
    Greetings,
    Andrea

    1. Hi Andrea, no. The valve grid will provide a very high impedance load in DC to the bias supply and therefore there’s no current flowing through the secondary. This is a very common arrangement for output stages (or drivers) with fixed bias.
      Best,
      Ale

  7. Hi Ale,
    I’ve been reading a interesting GM70 driving a GM70 build on the jacmusic website which leverages a “Sakuma” Method to cancel out distortion in the Power tube by fluctuating the Bias of the driver tube to create a canceling distortion effect. Ever consider the 300B as a driver. Probably a SUT in 1:4 at min but not sure the capacitance of a 300B driver has and if its able to drive the first stage.
    Anyway just a thought. Your thoughts?

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