Goodbye 814SE Amp, it’s been a fantastic journey

After 2 years of listening pleasure, it’s time to retire the 814SE monster amp. With its breadboard nature and high voltages around, this is not safe to have around with my daughter now being 8 months old. Sad to see this amp go and I hope to listen to it some time in the future.

Filament bias and winter heating system

814SE Amp

814 output valve

814SE Amp and Lenco Turntable

+HT supply

6D22S rectifiers

HT power supplies

What is was really painful for my back was to lift this ton of iron up to the attic. It’s so heavy and not keen to move it for some time. This amp has been a fantastic learning experience for me, as well as a huge challenge. High voltages, A2 operation, DC-coupling and the mix of sand with plenty of iron here in a 100% DHT amp was the right mix to give me several headaches along the build and testing stages. However, it’s a beauty to listen to, in particular thanks to the 46 and 814 valves which are unique in my view for this circuit and also the optimal tuning of the operating points and the iron used.

Enough for now, however I’m still working on my safer 4P1L PSE amp, so watch this space 🙂

4-65a SE Amp building process

Some drilling and mounting work done this morning on the 4-65a SE amp breadboard:

Filament bias resistor array

Closer view of the filament bias resistor array

Mounting pilars for the SSHV2 regulators

46 valve sockets

Closer view of the 46 valve sockets

46 sockets, filament bias array and filament and HV supply connectors

During the afternoon, I managed to wire a filament supply for one channel 46 driver. Tested and working ok, now can move to the next one:

Filament regulator with its heat-sink at the back, anode loads and the 46 DHT drivers at the centre.

46 DHT driver under test. Gyrator anode load can be seen at the front

46 DHT driver

a C3g driver…

Sunday morning and my brain already started with a lot of activity early today. Should be the other way round. I spent all week working and weekends should be about relaxation, but can’t help it 🙂 Before going up to the workshop and continue with the 4-65a SE amplifier build, I put into work some of these ideas that are flying around.

The 46 filament bias driver with its hefty supply will be “the driver” for the 4-65a, yes, no doubt. I may want to try some other combinations such as 4P1L pentode in filament bias, or why not some other drivers as 6e5p, C3g and D3a. All these are brilliant candidates. But final judge should be my ears. We all know that what looks really good in paper not necessarily translates into a great sounding driver, but at least is the best start.

C3g (as well as D3a) a really linear and revered valves in triode mode. Huge gain, current capability and transconductance. Perfectly engineered valves. C3g can easily provide a great performance as a driver with a gyrator load. I found playing around that with a simple LED bias, a bias of -2V, 190V and 30mA provides an outstanding 0.15% @ 200Vpp at least on the simulations..

I may try this in my 4P1L/6C4C project as well…. (so much to do)

Ale

Edit

Hi Ale,
A few observations.
190V with 31mA provide dissipation of 5.9 W !! It is excessive.
Use Telefunken data. Pa max is 3,5W.
Also, look data : “G2 and G3 connected to A

Just as a long-time user C3g as driver

Rajko

You’re right, interesting oversight which reflects that I shouldn’t be doing this early on a Sunday morning! Looking at the datasheet, we could get out 4.9W maximum if using Pa=3.5W + Pg2=0.7W + Pg3=0.7W. Well, a bit too much, perhaps safer running it below 4.5W.

So let’s see how it performs if we dial down the anode current. I ended up changing the LED to minimise distortion:

The THD is 0.26%@ 200Vpp which is similar to my two stage 4P1L-46. I wonder how much distortion the 4P1L will give at 200Vpp?

46 DHT driver final tests

Having built the 4P1L filament bias driver stage in a breadboard, I now have the sufficient voltage swing to drive the 46 to maximum sweep. In my 4-65a SE amp, a maximum of 200Vpp is required to drive the amp into class A2.

The following tests conditions were used:

4P1L first stage:
- DN2540 gyrator in mu follower output
- 220nF/450V Capacitor coupled into 46 driver
- Filament bias: 15 ohms, Vgk=-10V
- Vsupply=355V and Va0=210V
- Output set to about 30-32Vpp to drive 46 at 200Vpp
46 driver stage:
- IXYS 01N100 gyrator in mu follower output
- Load impedance is 100K (Pete Millett’s interface)
- Filament bias: 10 ohm / 100W Vgk=-17V
- Vsupply=355V and Va0=204-208V
- Output set to 200Vpp

I tested 28 valves. Just a few of my lot are NOS. The average THD was about 0.4-0.5% but a good selection of 8 valves (mainly Sylvania NOS) provided a consistent 0.18% THD:

Happy now with the initial tests and selection of 46 pairs for the amplifier, I can now continue with the build…

4-65a SE Amp: 46 Driver Gyrator

A day of PCB etching

After a lot of work today in designing many PCBs, I finally got a pair of mu-follower MOSFET gyrators for the 46 driver stage. The driver has to provide very low impedance to operate the 4-65a output valve in class A2. The gyrator in mu-follower configuration will enable the right bias point as the amplifier is DC coupled as well as maximum signal (and current in A2) with minimum distortion.

Many don’t like sand at all in their amplifiers. I have a lot of experience with gyrators and CCS loads in pre-amps and drivers as well. I have to say that with MOSFETs gyrators the sound is really nice. For an A2 driver, not many options are available and the gyrator is a great choice for this job.

I built two PCBs (one per channel) and the circuit is the classic depletion-mode MOSFET gyrator based on the high-voltage IXTP01N100D. I guess that a DN2540 should work as well here but I’ve been saving the IXYS for this occasion. The reference voltage for the anode bias point is provided by the CCS formed by M1 (LND150) which provides a higher impedance in AC improving the frequency response of the gyrator.

The 46 is operating in triode-mode and filament bias with a Rod Coleman filament regulator. R6 is approximately 1/gm and output voltage is set by P1 to achieve the 4-65a bias point as the amplifier has stacked power supplies given coupling is DC, so no capacitors in the path to the grid.

Next: some tests on these gyrators and the filament boards…